I'm not sure who's instigated this potential TRO as the Ermington Parish Council will be discussing it on Monday 2nd Nov?

If anybody is free to turn up on a cold and wet November evening then the meeting is at 19.30hrs at the Reading Rooms in Church Street


The Reading Rooms are upstairs on the left hand side of the Church Steps.

So that you know how we may be able to overturn this TRO threat please download this pamphlet

Free lift from my house on the night for 4.

Is speed on the lane causing the problem then, do you think, Mark?.

Objection filed!

Just done some digging on sir simon day, google his name then look in south hams highways & traffic orders agendas/minutes date 18 sept 2009  n0 8 on the agenda,it will tell you why a tro has been asked for on this lane
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Nimby's all of em!

Forgot to say logged and got ref number.


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Well done Neil, nice to have you back from your travels. If I don't see you before I look forward to seeing you at the Council meeting.

Come on guys, a couple of hours of your time for a good cause, which only clashes with Neighbours, Home and Away, Emmerdale (sometimes 2 episodes because it's so exciting!), East Enders (Same), Coronation Street (Same) etc. etc. etc. YAWN..

Anyone else willing to be counted?. If you do turn up I promise that the 'Gestapo' won't come calling in the middle of the night. (Yet....but they may well do in a few years time though).

Bob

Can't get the link to the pamphlet to work

Objection logged.

Cannot make the 2nd as having a long weekend off (Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon) for a family conregation in Southampton where bro lives.

Have a constructive meeting.

We did ride the lane yesterday, in our normal sensible manner, I did notice the notice at the start of the lane. Just hope thats not my last ride of it

 

 

done

-- Edited by merlin on Monday 26th of October 2009 09:16:42 AM

The Ermington Parish Council Meeting is on Tuesday 3rd (not Monday 2nd).

Done

Thanks for the clarification Andy.

objection done and received.     see you on Tues

After a recce on my push bike yesterday the Reading Rooms are here and the parking will be dire. Meet at my House at 6.30 if you want to.

Does anyone intend speaking other than me? Please let me know asap.

I'm picking up Bosun and co in Plymouth so see you all there.

Well I reckon well done to all for turning up and well done to Andrew for a great representation for the TRF as a whole. I was expecting the whole meeting to turn into a shoite fight but everyone kept their cool and professional.

To give everyone an idea of how it went in brief, it was a council meeting so it started with a few points of other business on local policing etc. and then came to the open forum on our topic.

Andrew was allowed to speak and put an excellent incredibly well researched presentation forward to introduce the TRF, and our codes of conduct, give evidence of the use fo the lane, photographic evidence and points of contention for the TRO.

It was then put to other parishoners to put points for the TRO.

The house owner sited the following points:
1) Erosion and the formation of a rutt worn to bedrock in places
2) Contended Sue and Teds (local land owners) support for the TRF as they had also signed their petition for this TRO (Ed: Andrew had presented work the TRF had done near this couples farm to try to reduce problems with rogue riders)
3) Stated that the parish should make a decision based on local peoples requests and that the meeting was for local people?? (Ed; Made me chuckle as I kept thinking of The League of Gentleman in that funny little shop) 
4) The fact that their petition had major support from the Ramblers and Rural England groups (Ed: Two groups well known for their live and let live attitude and wish to share the country side with other users ...... )
5) Finds the noise of acceleration up the hill the major annoyance.
6) There are 1000's miles lanes which motorcyclists have access to why do we have to use this one and that there are far less available for bridleways and footpaths. (Andy provided figures that this is incorrect later)

A local farm owner lady then added the  following points;
1) She was not keen on meeting lots of motorcyclists on lanes with covered faces and as a woman this was quite intimidating. (Ed: Very understandable and Andy sympathised and mentioned we have to wear protective clothing and that for a person with glasses it is hard work to get helmet off in time to have a good conversation with someone)
2) Erosion, the lane is wearing a central rutt
3) That it is essential to preserve for walkers and riders and piece and quiet.

Another local Mr. Organ then added;
1) Wear and tear on the lane which is washing stones down and eroding the lane
2) Objecting against use by Land Rovers, quads and convoys of motorcycles (about 8 at a time)
3) Degredation of Fauna and Flora. There used to be Foxgloves and Glow worms. (Ed: Not sure how this relates to motorcycles??)
4) Competition of uses between horses/walkers versus landrovers, quads and motorcycles.

William Mumford one of the councilors then made his points and appeared to be open to the TRF plight and use of the lane as a link on an overall route made by other lanes. but also mentioned that the common enemy appeared to be youngsters on the wrong tyes of bike (i.e. MX's with no silencing) and those using the lane illegally but also that there had been a problem with fly tipping part way up the lane.

There was then a few further points made by various people and Andrew countered some of the above points and put across strongly that the TRF were open to discussion on TRO's generally but also other options could be considered but this particular TRO had been posted by someone who wasn't local (Sir Simon Day) and it appeared that the order was put through with out correct due diligence, evidence consideration and reference to correct bodies. There apeared to be some kind of cover up about who was instigating the TRO as no one would admit to knowing who put it forward.

Terry also put accross that many of the TRF also enjoy other aspects of country life like walking, horse riding and wildlife photography, that there should not be a competition for use of the lane and was it not possible to everyone to enjoy it's use (Here here). Also that our riding is not a "Sport" as such, it is a recreation, there is no race and no prize for winning.

There were many more points discussed than I have space for here but this possibly gives you a flavour. Finger crossed now and if we don't win our use of the lane back, it wasn't for lack of trying or putting a professional face on an emotive subject for us all

Mnay thanks to Ben (Slick) for filling you all in on last night's meeting. I will put my address to the Council and my unofficial minutes of the meeting on the Members Area of our website as I do not want all and sundry to get hold of it.

What I am prepared to discuss is the statement made by the farmer from Burraton Farm! This increased our chances of keeping the lane open as he pointed out that the lane that runs through his farm - TRO'd along with Sir Simon Day's drive in 1991 - was ridden by 3 or 4 people a month on bikes and quad bikes with no number plates and when challenged they were very aggressive! So how much good did the TRO do there then?

Our counter to the 'erosion of the lane' ploy is to go back and hit them with the old S56 ploy.

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