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PROPER Trail Riding....


Eejit (my brother Nevil) who lives in Canmore, Canada, has asked me to put the following text and pictures on the forum. Now you'll understand how riding in the UK differs from elsewhere....

I though I'd send you some photos of the bike stacked up for the trip..then, whilst taking all apart again, I thought I'd photograph all the crap that I will be taking with me.

Then I thought it might be good for a laugh if you were able to drop this on the TVTR website for all the lads/lasses to see (I'm bloody hopeless at posting photos etc).

Intended trip:-

Canmore, Alberta, Canada (my home) to RossRiver in the Yukon territories.

In short (here's where Google is really useful) .Canmore, Jasper, Prince George (you're now in British Columbia), Smithers, Stewart, Hyder (Alaska panhandle), Heading North on the Cassiar Highway to Watson Lake (Yukon), on to Johnson's crossing, North on the Canol Highway to Ross River, West to Carmacks, South to Whitehorse, join the Alaska Highway South-East to Dawson Creek, South to Grande Prairie, South to Hinton, West to Jasper and South home again. In short about 5000 miles in 16 days camping in the wilderness with the bears, moose and buffalo. The Yukon is about the same size as the British Isles in landmass and has a population of 31,000 people 19,000 of which live in Whitehorse.

Basically there is virtually no one after I leave Smithers in B.C. Petrol stations are about 250 miles apart on average and there are virtually no emergency services. In fact, what little emergency services there are would take at least a half day to reach you (if not a day in most cases) if you were injured. Furthermore there is NO mobile coverage for 95% of this area so you can't just make a call if you've gone rubber side up. Basically this really is the last frontier of North America and I'm not out to get any hero points here although I'm riding alone. The purpose of this years trip is to recce the area and take photos for a family and friends trip sometime in the next year or two (let's get the bloody recession out of the way first) and for me to unwind as I do work pretty hard at my job (gigolo?). The plus side is that I've been a qualified Mountain Guide in the Rocky Mountains (Banff National Park) for the last thirteen years or so and I specialise in teaching outdoor survival skills to anyone who has the time to listen to me. I've spent weeks at a time camping in minus 40 teaching the British Army simple survival skills and encountered Grizzlies on the slopes of some of our highest mountains, but this trip, because I'm riding solo, has me concerned about wildlife because its unpredictable. If the bike breaks down, I can certainly repair it or patch it up until I reach civilization but Grizzly bears and Mountain lions I have a healthy respect for (and no, Canadians don't carry guns). Needless to say I will not be pushing the envelope with regard to risk on this trip.

My love of being outdoors and riding bikes stems from Devon where I was always out hiking & camping as a young lad and greenlaning wherever possible. I am proud to be a somewhat distant forum member of the TVTR and owe much of my mechanical and motorcycling skills to my older brother Fixer.

Anyway, now you've read a little bit about me and my forthcoming trip, here are some photos and a description of the stuff Ill be taking with me.

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My Bike, a GS1200 Adventure, fully loaded for the trip. Not exactly a greenlaner but we do have thousands of miles of large dirt roads over here.

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ERRR.NAH!

Although Im going to scrub my existing tyres out by the time I reach the Yukon, I think Ill ship these buggers by Greyhound bus and pick them up in Watson Lake. Nothing like a good challenge replacing these hoops on my own in the bush!

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Simple GPS and mount. The reasoning here is that I may need to carry it whilst hiking a long way to find help. Even the North Americans havent got a complete e-map system for this area yet so all I need is lat & long to cross reference with a map.

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95% of the gear that you saw stacked on the bike. Starting from left each time:-

2 man tent with vestibule and bungees.

Spare hiking boots (I will also pack some Crocs as well because they are comfy for padding around in the evenings).

Rain hat goretex.

2 pairs of socks.

2 thermal wicking tops by North Face.

1 pair of lightweight trousers that zip off into shorts.

Cook set.

Slime compressor and bottle of Goop (all neatly packaged in a protective case.how cute).

25 foot lanyard for erecting a tarp or just lashing stuff together to bail myself out of trouble.

Stove fuel bottle, stove burner and base. Dont forget the parts/repair kit!

Clear plastic bag with shaving kit, soap , toothbrush etc.

First aid kit - bandages, triangular bandages, elastoplast by the dozen, tincture of Iodine, burn dressings, moleskin, tick pliers (no, a fag does not remove them [there's not enough room to take a fag with you on this bike]), tweezers, scissors and steri-wipes.

8X10 foot sil tarp made by integral designs. This is a seriously good piece of kit!

Spare fuel bottle made by sigg.

Spare bike gloves.

Orange shamwow cloth thats crap at cleaning your bike but really good as a personal towel!

On top of the towel is a can of bear spray. This stuff is only designed to be used within 20 feet of an aggressive bear but will do some serious damage to its sensory nerves as its about 50 times more concentrated than the mace the police use. I have neighbours that I'd like to try this out on.

Thermarest. A thick one and full length, whats the point with these bloody ¾ length slimline pieces of crap people buy these days. I want a good nights sleep dammit!

Sleeping bag - 3 season and in a compression sack.

Spare bungees on top of a black drybag.

Red bag full of food. Well actually Pussers rat packs but it'll do in an emergency ( I love the corned beef hash but it gives me heartburn of Biblical proportions these days).

Black pannier liner with the following on top:- Rim protectors, chainsaw in a can (sounds ludicrous but it really works well), mini binoculars, Gobbling rods, Petzl tikka headlamp and a BMW spark plug cap puller (needed to re-mortgage for that one).

Torx male/female socket set with the bottom tray cut out to fit jubilee clips, washers and circlips.

Small clear plastic box of metric bolts, nuts etc.

Two tubes of liquid steel and aluminium (basically steel or alloy reinforced epoxy for gluing the pots back on if they fall off).

Tyre repair kit (mushroom plugs) and three rolls of tie down straps.

Tool roll. Dont get me started about the poxy tool kit you get with a $30,000 motorcycle. Christ, at least my old Z1300 had a chromed tool kit!

Piece of inner tube from a Quad bike. This stuff is good for protecting frames from vibrating panniers or just wrapping tyre levers in.

Dish cloth and J-cloth for canteen set.

Another black pannier liner with the following laid on top:- Notebook, leatherman, hockey or fabric tape (duct tape is only good at certain warm temperatures), bicycle pump, Whistle (no I don't intend to referee anything up north), 15m of climbing tape (good in conjunction with a thermarest to make an inflatable splint..yes I've had to do it for a client's leg in minus 30 and get them 20 miles out of the wilderness before you ask) and a bush knife (no, it doesn't need to look like Crocodile Dundees knife, any blade longer than the width of you palm is overkill).

Frank Thomas Aquapack trousers. Dead sexy but if anyone knows how to make something waterproof it's the English.right?

Tyre levers wrapped in inner tubing.

Wind up dynamo torch.

Goggles.

Well that's it. I'll be taking photos and sending you all a trip report when I get back in August.

Happy riding to you all

Eejit



-- Edited by Fixer on Monday 29th of June 2009 09:03:35 AM

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16 days, 2 pairs of socks?

Never mind the bear mace , just wave a sock at the buggers!!!

Looks fantastic, looking forward to seeing the report when you get back. Puts us lot getting excited about 300 yards of lane into perspective.

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It took me three goes to get all the apostrophes in and then I lost the bloody pictures...Done now.

I'm doing this trip in a year or so's time so I hope the young welp gets back OK.

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Timus wrote:

16 days, 2 pairs of socks?

Never mind the bear mace , just wave a sock at the buggers!!!

Looks fantastic, looking forward to seeing the report when you get back. Puts us lot getting excited about 300 yards of lane into perspective.



I wanna be there! Its not fair tears.gif, Tim your right, brings things in to perspective or what!
Gem has read a book several times recently titled "The Good life" by Dorian Amos, that leads on to "The good life gets better". A couple that upped sticks from Polperro and headed to the Yukon by what ever means they could. An amazing story, makes my feel like doing the same to escape the sh1t that seems to be pileing up on our sholders these days.

Look forward to seeing the progress / reports back.

 



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Thanks for the comment on the socks Timus.
I forgot to add skivvies to the list!
Can you imagine riding commando for 5000 miles!

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Wow, Nev, that's fantastic. Not only your mechanical and nav skills from 'Big Bro' but your equipment list too. Andy had that much gear with him when we did the C2C in the spring, but Tibby, who shared a room with him, said he had only the shreddies he was wearing!!biggrin.

Safe journey and please post when you can, I look forward to reading all about it.

Tibby, don't wait 'till you're an old geezer, and if Gem's  behind it, if you both wanna do it, get it done.

Bob

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and a spare set of keys????

(well I would!!!)


GOOD LUCK... and ENJOY

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Ah yes!
Spare keys.
Probably a good idea....must remember spare keys....note to self.

The bad thing about doing this sort of thing on your todd is the amount of gear needed. If you think about it, a lot of the stuff i'm bringing could be shared between 3 bikes, i.e. tent, cook set, stove, tool kit, first aid kit, compressor and the tyre repair kit to name a few. Shreddies and socks are a little more personal Timus....before you go there!
I'm in a very odd situation where blokes/ladies are almost envious of trips like the one i'm about to go on. Please remember that from this side of the pond i get to read all the trail reports from the TVTR and am TOTALLY envious of the fact that you are all able to get out and enjoy the green lanes every weekend as an organised group. I do miss Devon and this sort of stuff and would dearly love something like this in my area. Dear God i miss pasties too (you can keep the mice pies though)!
If anyone from this forum ever needs a base to start a Canadian Adventure, please feel free to drop me a line by the way.

Kindest regards to you all,

Nev.


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So the grass is actually greener over here then? Who'd have thought it!!!

This may be a stupid question, but with all that open space over there is there not a group/club/collection of individuals who go out and do roughly what we do?

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Nev,

Gem n I had a taste of Banff and surrounding area in Nov '07, a trip to visit my sister who was studying in Banff for about 12 months now in Vancouver. In the 2 weeks we got up to Emerald Lake (BC) just as the snow was arriving (mind blowing) and Sunshine as they were just opening (now using goggles that I bought up there on the trail bike). Wanted to do so much but didn't have time or cash.
In the book I mention above the intro talks about the grass not being greener but snow covered, just different for them and they went and found it was!
They struggled and struggled scratching a life from the wilderness around Year 2000 and then started a family, I dream and occasionally get the thoughts under my skin then struggle to get rid of them. That trip to Banff was my/our first long distance trip outside the usual France/Spain holidays. We look forward to getting over again, maybe fly in to Calgary and travel through to my sister on the waters edge in the city!
A big chunk of what your doing for me would be sharing the experience with somebody, so can you fit me in a pannier as well?biggrin
Look forward to pics and words, good on you.
Barney.




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Hi Timus

There's the Alberta DualSport Motorcycle Club but their website is just a forum.

I'm really envious of Eejit being able to get away for this trip. Bob Heavens - salesman at JDs - has just got back from a trip through Australia. He and 6 others went over, bought 7 second-hand Suzuki DR650s and went for it. I believe Bob's going back in August to do another long one Down Under and then he's bring the bike back here. it's my weapon of choice for Canada in a year or so as it has no known faults and can carry loads of luggage. you can get an Aquiline 31lt tank for the long stretches between filling stations and it's air-cooled which cuts down on the spares you need to take. Big Jim has the same engine in his CCM. Bob H reckons that you need to uprate the suspension springs front and rear though!

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Wow , what a fantastic trip you have planned , the bike looks awesome thumbsup.gif

I've been to Calgary and Banff and its truly breathtaking scenery (Cowgirls in Calgary i can recommendbiggrin !) I look forward to hearing more and some pics, have fun.

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Hi Barney, Tibby Timus and Big Bruv.

I wrote a lengthy piece today for you all but it wouldn't load and i wound up losing the lot. I'll try a shorter version for you all. Timus...there is the Alberta Dual Sport Motorcycle Assoc. run by a really good bunch of people but i am hardly ever able to meet up with them due to work. Most of them do a similar thing to green lanes in the area and are riding stuff like DRZ400's. There is a small faction within the group that own large beasts like mine and go out on multi day trips but our schedules never coincide. I am trying to make more time to meet up with them though.
The problem for me in my area is that i'm surrounded on 3 sides by National Parks and thus no motorcycles are allowed on the trails (huge fines). Needless to say i can't just pop out with the boys and girls for an evening's trail ride very easily. We do however have thousands of miles of forestry trunk roads that require overnight camping etc to accomplish their full capacity.
Tibby....sorry mate, i can only just fit food in what's left of the panniers! I will try and get a copy of the book though as it sounds like interesting reading. I'm glad you've seen this area it is beautiful but so, so protected! If you're out this way again, please look me up. The car/bike journey to Vancouver would be about 13 hours long (allowing for about 1 hour of rest stops/petrol fills) but is stunning. I hope you get to do it someday.
Fixer is right (naturally LOL). The DR650 is certainly a good tool to have...they haven't changed that engine much in 25 years. To concur with Fixer..the Aqualine tank is the way to go without a doubt and you don't need to change the seat to accommodate it. Another good choice would be the KLR650. The problem here is the liquid cooling versus a field repair. I haven't heard too many horror stories over here though. Both bikes will pull 62 1/2 miles per hour (our speed limit) adequately satcked with luggage. I tend to agree that one may need to have a good look at the suspension on the DR though. It may need a slight upgrade. Please bear in mind that DR's are a harder find in this neck of the woods (parts too) compared to the KLR that appears to have fans and parts on every street corner. My preference is certainly the DR and i hope to get one fairly soon (my Wife might be able to take her test on it...different learner rules over here and the test is only 20 quid).
......'ang on. let me see if this paragraph is too much to post on the forum...i may need to break it up into bite size peices!!!!!



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OK, that worked.

On with the ramblings (and you thought Fixer was bad).........

I learned a long time ago over here that the grass is not greener but different. Yes i live in a beautiful part of the world but, when you think about it, so is Devon (hence all the Grockles every summer). I am totally envious that you're all able to get out on organised rides on a regular basis and really enjoy reading the trip reports. Me, i have to plan my trips well in order to do stuff that i would take for granted if i were able to get out most Saturdays. Swings and roundabouts really i suppose. I will be sending photos and a series of trip reports for you all, naturally.
Two Thumbs...I loved the Africa Twin when i first saw one...then i test rode the XTZ750 too and owned one for 5 years over there. Huge fun.
Well....it's Canada Day over here tomorrow (national holiday) and i'm in the bloody parade with my firm. Hopefully i'll be able to unleash the hooligan in the afternoon though.

Cheers,

Nev

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Canada is a lovely place but to not be able to ride a bike for 5 months of the year would drive me (more) insane. I'm not too keen on '40 below' either.

The Suzuki DR650 is 'only' C$6500 brand new and doesn't have either radiators or plastic fairings. It also is 166kgs 'kerb' weight.

The Kwacker KLR650 is 196kgs Kerb weight and is C$6900

As Canada has only 85octane fuel (similar to diesel) neither of these bikes are powerful but have loads of torque.


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